The difference between CPT and Zentangle®

Dear tanglers.

I posted a new write-up about tangling with ballpoint pen. As promised, I compared the 2 brands: BIC and STAEDTLER. Click here to read more.

Should you not want to get involved in the discussion about the Zentangle® blog post “Seriously”, then please do not read any further. Tangling should be fun and not create arguments.

I never intended to respond publicly to the Zentangle® blog post, especially not since my lawyer advised me against it. It seems as if I have no choice, but to share my point of view.

In order to keep my own record, I shall now post the original emails that started this discussion. And I quote the email I received in full:

Dear Ina,

After numerous people expressed their concern about your “Certified CPT Coach” training program, I looked at your website and your publications. It appears to us and to our legal advisors that you wrongly traded off the goodwill of the Zentangle Method and brand. Your extensive use of our copyrighted materials (including our step-out instructions) and your certification of coaches to teach our copyrighted materials require a response from us.

We are prepared to respond.

Before we respond, I prefer to have a conversation with you. There are several issues to address. The first issue to address is your program to certify coaches to teach our intellectual property which you misrepresent as your own.

Among other actions, I request that you:

End your coach training program

Remove your list of “Certified CPT Coaches”

Close your “Coaches only!” Facebook group and delete all entries

Close your “Students and coaches” Facebook group and delete all entries

Announce via your primary Facebook page (/TangleItPatternClub) . . . the wording of which we can work on together:

that you have ended your “Certified CPT Coach” program

that “Certified CPT Coach” status does not authorize them to use Zentangle Intellectual Property in CPT classes. This essentially means that they no longer can teach CPT as the essence of CPT is the Zentangle Method.

I look forward to discussing this with you. Please respond via email to by 5pm, June 6, 2018 EST (GMT -5).

Thank you,

Rick Roberts

And here is my answer:

Dear Rick.
Thank you for contacting CPT and expressing interest in our certification.
First and foremost, please do not confuse CPTs way of creative drawing with your copyrighted method of teaching, as these are entirely different approaches as you would know. We also clearly distance ourselves from any other group as you log into our website. We also do not refer to any other methods or brands in any of our online offerings and listings. Our CPT coach program was established to enable the teaching of creative drawing, based on fundamental research. We will not honor your request to terminate out CPT coach program and to close our groups as these have nothing in common with your certification program but represent our methodologies. Such information exchange is vital to progress beyond the ‘mindful drawing’ philosophy. We at CPT endeavor our clients to progress, explore their mental freedom and experience the sweetness of success and improvement.
We take the liberty to publish this correspondence in our Facebook group as there is no disclaimer in your email suggesting otherwise.
Kind regards,
Ina Sonnenmoser
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Use Google Translate for the last paragraph – my email program is set to ‘german’ and includes this text automatically:

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This response resulted in a personal attack on the public blog on the Zentangle® website. For 2 months I waited for a response from the lawyers. My legal advisers recommended to finally send the letter claiming damages for defamation of character. Before I do such a thing, I wanted to give Rick the opportunity to remedy this situation.

Dear Rick.

So far I have not received a reply to my message posted 2 months ago.
My lawyer advised me against replying to your blog post dated June, 1st 2018.

I herewith request a public apology on your blog and removal of the blog post within 7 business days. Alternatively, you will face a lawsuit for defamation of character.

Kind regards,
Ina Sonnenmoser


In response to this, the original blog post from Rick was ‘modified’ and still leaves many misconceptions open that I want to clear up.

Anyone following the CPT journey will understand when I say that Creative Pattern Tangling and the Zentangle® method have only one thing in common: Drawing patterns! Because both methods are so different, I never bothered comparing them side by side.

  • The goal of Creative Pattern Tangling is to activate dormant and new brain cells. CPT is a method to engage the right hemisphere of the brain in order to increase creativity and imagination. During CPT tanglers experience the mental state of Flow – a state of complete immersion in an activity in which powerful chemicals are produced in the brain.
  • A typical CPT session begins with a smile. Keep that smile on your face for a minimum of 30 seconds. This will produce ‘happiness chemicals’ in your brain.

The Zentangle® method (Quote from “The Book of zentangle” by Rick Roberts & Maria Thomas ISBN-13: 978-0-9859614-0-4 currently available on Amazon at US$45,20)
The basic steps to the Zentangle method are: 1. Gratitude and Appreciation. Take a few deep breaths and give yourself several moments to feel gratitude and appreciation.

The Zentangle® focus is on meditation, not on brain development.

  • In CPT we begin by picking a shape – this could be a circle, drop, heart, loop, C-Shape, S-Shape, circle, bracket etc.

Please note: The list includes the typical shapes that the Zentangle® method uses. Is this a ‘stolen’ idea? There must be a reason why nobody can claim a copyright on a shape!

  • The next step is to apply a technique to this shape.

I have not seen anything like this mentioned anywhere in books published by Zentangle® nor on their blog. By analyzing patterns I came to the conclusion that all patterns are made up of shapes and techniques.

  • By playing around a tangler will create their own pattern to use when creating artwork. CPT will teach people how to create patterns, the Zentangle® method does not teach that at all. This method will only teach how to follow step-by-step instructions and not how to create your own pattern.

In Zentangle® you deconstruct patterns – you do not create your own.

  • One of the numerous techniques is ‘replacing shapes‘ on existing patterns.

Zentangle® refers to this as creating a tangleation. In CPT this is only one of many options, not the entire method. The “replace technique” is taught in detail right here.

  • Materials used in CPT can range from using fineliners (pigment pen) to ballpoint pen, graphite or colored pencil. Use anything you have at hand. Using pigment pens does not make your CPT session a Zentangle® session! Draw on anything – from paper to cardboard, shoes, canvas – You can draw on anything, anywhere, with any pen or brush or pencil.

And if you happen to draw on a square artist tile, it still does not mean that you practice the Zentangle® method.

  • Practice and improve. CPT shows you how to improve, provides practice sheets and puts you on the path to perfect your drawings.

The Zentangle® method teaches the exact opposite: Embrace your mistakes. The outcome is not important.

Furthermore, I would like to point out that the Grid Journey (Zentangle® refers to as Reticula and Fragments) began with a blog post dated January 2016. The Zentangle® Primer (published in March 2016) renamed the block of a grid to “fragment” and the grid itself to “reticula”.

Actually, there are too many differences to list them all.


Furthermore, in the Zentangle® blog post a lot of information has been quoted out of context. To set the record straight, I shall include the full paragraphs and not pick individual sentences.


How much does it cost and how much do CPT coaches pay?

  • Registration: US$1
  • Ongoing fees: Create your own teaching material and you pay NOTHING! Use the material that I provide, you pay $1 for each reprint of each .pdf that I created. If you use my material, but don’t charge for a class: Pay NOTHING.

In addition, I would like to mention that CPT is a new concept currently under development. CPT coaches work together as a team. Things change – The current CPT coaches prefer a printed book instead of printing their own .pdf’s for example. That was not my decision, but theirs. Anyone can teach themselves CPT for free by following the write-ups on Any eBooks available for purchase serve only one purpose: To contribute to the running cost of the website. I am in the fortunate position that I have no need to make a living out of my hobby.

Do I need to compare the cost to the Zentangle® method? Why has money become the big subject of this matter?

And why do I feel forced to justify my actions? People attacking me personally for providing information about patterns and Creative Pattern Tangling for free? Many are unaware that they can teach without a certification or that anyone can create a certification. You cannot teach the Zentangle® method without certification, that is correct. You can teach doodling or your own method of meditative drawing without certification. You can even teach CPT without certification! You cannot call yourself a certified CPT coach without certification though. Neither can you use my material – write your own and you’re okay! There is no copyright on patterns, shapes, signing your artwork, drawing a frame in pencil etc. (More information on this topic can be found on the blog: and /

Who was the first to start doodling/tangling? Was it Nadia Russ? Was it Carol Edmonston? Rick Roberts & Maria Thomas? Or was it a caveman that we never even heard of? Is this relevant information for people that just want to draw?

Who drew the first Flower of Life (or Fife as it is called by tanglers)? Who created the first step-out for Huddy’s Doodle – was it the author of the book “Experiments in optical illusions” published in 1951? (tanglers call this pattern Paradox)

The fact is, anyone can redraw any step-out. If you are not happy to share your information for free, then do not post it on the internet. Feel free to copy any of the patterns that I created, use them, play with them, get inspired by them. I feel honored and I am glad that I was able to help. Mention my name if you want, or don’t. It’s up to you. I did not create a pattern step-out to make money or become famous. Maybe you doodled around and came up with the exact same idea as I did? Good on you! Don’t feel guilty. If you happen to have learned to create your own pattern through Creative Pattern Tangling, then I am happy to have achieved what I was set out to do. And many pattern designers probably used CPT before I gave it the name. Go ahead, get angry and call me whatever for providing this information for free. I did not invent pattern creation. Nor did I invent the color wheel, or pencil and paper, or shapes used to draw patterns.

Like many of you, I have been doodling since my childhood. Through links on pinterest, I stumbled across pattern step-outs. Enthusiastically I joined various Facebook groups that were recommended. Immediately I began drawing step-outs for patterns I had designed during my school days. Then I began the exploration of the origins of patterns, how are patterns made up, how can I create interesting patterns. Eventually, I created the website and provided a platform for like-minded people to share their patterns. To ensure that the website does not publish duplicate patterns, I continued collecting step-outs like many of you do right now. I bought all the books that contained patterns – many Zentangle® books too – not because of the method, rather because I was obsessed with patterns. I do not understand the fuzz that is made about patterns: Is it my pattern or your pattern? Nobody owns a pattern anyway.

Of course, you begin picking up terms and phrases when surrounded by people that practice Zentangle®. Together with friends, we published even a few books – the Tangle It! series. One of the authors happened to be a CZT. As a CZT this person was allowed to write about the method. Afraid of losing her CZT title when Rick emailed the first threatening letter, this person retreated from the Facebook group and the pattern-collections website. Just another tangler that doesn’t want to get into any legal disputes – understandably. Please note that any publication where the website or I associate with the Zentangle® method prior to June 2018 have been published (for example Artist Focus) at a time when a CZT was actively involved. Because I no longer want to be associated in any way with Zentangle®, the printed books are available no longer.

It appears you cannot use terms you learned by reading books, blogs or Facebook postings in your correspondence and write-ups.


My final words are this: I am glad that Rick did not remove the entire blog post, but rather continues to keep the fire going. People can now judge for themselves who is after money, money, money. I for one welcome ALL tanglers to my website. This is not a CZT versus CPT argument. I want to draw patterns, share ideas, share my knowledge. As a community, we inspire each other. This argument about who invented what and when has taken up way too much of my time (which I rather use to share my knowledge). The entire argument has turned people away from tangling. And that is sad.

Inform yourself before you reply and share an uninformed guess like Rick did in his postscript:

I did not insinuate anything. There was no attack coming from my side. I did not question who was the first person that had the idea. And I honestly don’t really care about who had the idea to draw lines or shapes on a piece of paper. This blog post about Carol Edmonston is from another blogger. However, it’s a nice touch to add this to the bottom of the current ‘updated’ version of “Seriously”.

I have no need to quote out of context. Here is a straight screenshot of the original blog post that most probably caused the big rift between tanglers.

Now fire away, you angry people. I do not ask the community to pick sides or encourage them to bully anyone (I am sure I misunderstand the above statement like the many other readers of the ‘Seriously’ blog did).

Sadly, any reference to this particular method of meditative drawing creates a bitter taste in my mouth now.

The CPT coaching program will reopen this Saturday, August 4th, 2018. Limited spaces are available as I won’t teach 100 people at the same time.

And now I shall sit down, smile and create a new pattern to use in my next artwork.


35 thoughts on “The difference between CPT and Zentangle®

  • August 1, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    you cant see me , but im giving you a standing ovation!

  • August 1, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    I’m glad you posted this, Ina, because it confirms some uneasiness I was having about Zentangle. I ALMOST registered for CZT training this Oct., but decided not to because I couldn’t make peace with myself about trying to explain to people I would be teaching/helping, why they would need to use expensive materials, or why Zentangle patterns are so drastically different from any other drawing they would want to do…or why my certification proves that I can lead them on this journey any better than the countless, free tutorials on YouTube and elsewhere by non-CZT people…I knew I would likely be sharing/teaching with people who need it most…often underprivileged, low-income, low-in-spirits people who would need freedom, openness, and easy accessibility to encourage them on their journey…not exclusive, elite, restrictive materials or practices. Your post today confirmed for me that I made the right decision to continue on my own path of open, free, inclusive patterning/tangling…whatever I choose to call it. I would love to have a chance to pursue being a CPT coach if that opportunity presents itself in the future. I thank you for the excellent resources you have provided to so many, and wish you well with all future endeavors!

  • August 1, 2018 at 6:03 pm

    Regardless of what others may think, I am on your side Ina. Most of us are here to learn and enjoy the artwork. It’s ridiculous that Rick and Maria think they “own” anything to do with tangling. In my opinion, they are the bad guys here, not you. They are the ones making money off this and are scared of losing their followers. That will hit them right in the pocket book so they feel the need to attack you. Shame on them! It has become almost laughable at this point if it weren’t for the fact it’s another form of bullying. I personally stand behind you and applaud your decorum in the way you have handled the matter. Debbie Trodglen Hatcher .

  • August 1, 2018 at 6:22 pm

    I hope you don’t loose this fight and I am totally on your side. I love tangling but Zentangle is really turning out to become a money making enterprise. New tiles each day – the mosaic app, etc.

  • August 1, 2018 at 6:33 pm

    Bravo! Thank you for inspiring us all! Peace and Blessings to you!

  • August 1, 2018 at 7:29 pm

    Good on you for sticking to the higher ground, and not choosing to get into an argument. You are quite right though – how does anyone patent a doodle? I used to contribute to some of the Zentangle FB pages, but they kept on criticizing my interpretations. I tended to see different things in the drawings than they did. I found the Zentangle rules too restricting, and left their FB pages. My imagination was too much for them, apparently. You go, girl!

  • August 1, 2018 at 9:49 pm

    Ina – So much info here. Took me a while to find the “differences between” part of the post. LOL But I’m glad you took the time to clarify some of those differences. Hopefully that will help people get a clearer understanding.

    I couldn’t tell for sure if you were being serious about, “It appears you cannot use terms you learned by reading books, blogs or Facebook postings in your correspondence and write-ups.” I’m not sure I understand what you’re referring to here. But if you are talking about repeat pattern art jargon – I just want to clarify for people that you can indeed use such terms in their works. These things fall under the non-copyrightable subject line of, “Names, Titles, Short Phrases”. If anyone wants more info on that you can grab U.S. copyright circular 33 @ And there’s an article on this subject (as it pertains to the repeat pattern art industry) @ .

    Thanks again for clarifying some more of this information. It’s true that the business side of the tangled world isn’t the fun or pretty side. But it’s an important part that many of us teaching patterning methods need to stay on top of.

    • August 1, 2018 at 11:01 pm

      Hi Cindy. It’s very nice of you to pop in!
      I was referring to this sentence from the Zentangle® blog “These quotes are either equivalent statements or direct quotes from our Zentangle books, our Zentangle website, or material that we teach in workshops and CZT seminars.” I don’t visit the Zentangle website, do not attend workshops or CZT seminars. If people use these phrases in correspondence in my group on Facebook and in Blog posts, then I obviously pick them up. And that’s why they are non-copyrightable. I think Rick gives himself too much credit. I do not practice Zentangle® – I don’t even like the method. I am a perfectionist and do not want to change a thing. All I want to do is tangle with patterns, create patterns, share knowledge and inspire others.
      Thanks for sharing the links. I nearly missed that there is new blog post on

  • August 1, 2018 at 9:49 pm

    Well said, Ina. I am far more inclined to support you and your wonderful work. Thank you for sharing! X

  • August 1, 2018 at 10:18 pm

    I agree with you. I’ve always had a funny filling about their buisness; never really liked them. Keep up your good work, and take care.
    Dacia Lewis
    North Carolina

  • August 1, 2018 at 10:50 pm

    I think it was our Creator that came up with shapes, right. I don’t want to take sides either, but maybe Rick and Maria should remember where their “mooka” pattern came from. It was not theirs, but a famous artist, Mucha. Who gives a hoot anyway, I have learned so much from everyone who posts directions to help us out here I the world learn to draw better. I believe we should share. If I could come up with something cool, I would share, simply because so many others do. We artists need to stick together and be grateful for reaching out to each other.

  • August 2, 2018 at 12:44 am

    I’ve watched this issue from the sidelines and sympathize with both sides. I understand most criticisms of Zentangle. I don’t blame you or anyone else for going their own way with pattern drawing. However, there is must something I must speak up about.

    “The entire argument has turned people away from tangling.”

    Frankly, Ina, a lot of this negativity is coming from people who are part of CPT community. At the time I’m writing this comment, for example, the majority of the comments on the “Seriously…Updated” blog post are negative comments left by CPT instructors. Some of those negative comments are directly attacking fans of Zentangle. It’s not a good look for any brand to go on your competition’s turf and insult their customers.

    This hostility is not an isolated incident, either. I follow your Pattern-Collections Facebook group. When I once responded to a newbie who asked for book recommendations, I recommended some Zentangle books that I genuinely found helpful. In response, a moderator for your group then repeatedly insulted me even though I remained polite throughout the exchange. I don’t expect everyone to agree with my recommendations, but I do expect some civility, even if it’s a simple “please don’t mention those books here.” I’ve seen the same moderator treat other members rudely, and shut down Facebook posts from people asking simple questions.

    In short, there is an undercurrent of hostility coming out of CPT. Where is the “zen” and positivity in the behavior mentioned above? How can claims that CPT helps people be taken seriously when the top members of the CPT community regularly make unprovoked attacks on anyone they disagree with?

    Good brands stand on their own merit. Good brands don’t need to resort to insults and petty behavior to attract followers. Build a good brand, Ina. CPT has a lot of potential–don’t let it be ruined by hostility and toxic people.

    • August 2, 2018 at 7:58 am

      Dear Carly.
      Thank you for your comment and thoughts.
      I cannot see anyone replying negatively to individuals. The negative comments are all about the blog post spreading lies about my character. As you can see, Rick has been quoting out of context. He is trying to make me look bad and him as the saint. I have helped many people over the years and they feel strongly about supporting me, as a person.
      You should have seen some of the emails, messages, and comments left by tanglers – certified or not. I do not blame any of them. After all, they were encouraged by Rick (see the quote I posted in the blog). My supporters helped me through this difficult time and because I was unable to defend myself, felt the need to speak up.
      In response to the recommendations of books. If you are referring to my replies when someone recommended the Zentangle books – well, I cannot recommend them, because I personally don’t like them. I did recommend the “One Zentangle a day”, as this book is full of information and not just a biography. I have also always recommended Eni Oken’s eBooks. And of course, in those days I recommended the Tangle It! Journal if someone was looking for fun activities.

      I believe that I have made it clear to the community that we embrace all kind of tanglers. Discussions that compare the one or other method can be done in other groups or even better, in private. The website and Facebook group cater to people that just want to tangle, find inspiration and inspire others. Anyone looking for an argument can do that in the numerous other groups or websites on the internet.

      Smile and tangle on my friend!


  • August 3, 2018 at 10:05 pm

    Dear Ina, thank you for your detailed and fair informations! It’s a shame how Zentangle has attacked and bullyied you. They haven’t even apologized yet :-(. I thank you for your good style – and of course for your wonderful work! Keep on smiling, tangling and inspiring

  • August 4, 2018 at 4:03 am

    It took me a while to read and understand just what was going on, I’m saddened that what has brought me such joy has been causing you such pain. I’ve always wondered ho one could copywrite someone’s idea. I am now 82 years young, your site is a joy and I wish for you continued success in all of your creative efforts. Never give up on your dreams!

  • August 4, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    Thank you. Learning the difference to me helped me see a difference and what I really want. What path is good for me. In no way for I match the ellite structure for CZT at all. This is where I belong.

  • August 5, 2018 at 2:28 am

    Most artist have their art copyrighted, coz people do steal, it happens.If you’ve ever read the copyright laws for artist, do. It is so eyeopening. I’ve only been on your site for a while and I enjoy it very much, as I do Rich & Maria as well. I belong to so many Facebook groups for zentangle, I love every one of them. And I get different things from each group and grateful I don”t have to choose between them. Hope you understand what I’m saying. I am a CZT and I love it. It took me 4 years to save the money to take that class and worth every cent.I also love what I see on your site. I don’t want to have to pick and I’m not going to. I would love to take your classes too but I can’t. Because you require that I teach and I don’t want to teach. I only teach my friends. I don’t like teaching. I’m good at zentangle but I don’t like teaching it.I guess what I’m trying to say is, I kinda think there’s room for all of us.

    • August 5, 2018 at 8:49 am

      Sybil, you are so right! There is no reason to pick sides. I hope that many people think that way. Just enjoy your tangling. Patterns are for everyone!

  • August 5, 2018 at 3:55 am

    Dear Ina
    It makes me sad that all this attacking is going on especially that all you’ve done is provided an alternative route for trainers to teach Creative Pattern Tangling. You’ve always been helpful and supportive to those like me who cannot afford the training provided by Rick and Maria.
    I’ve read some of the comments on their blog and feel somewhat intimidated and hurt that they are also attacking and even threatening CPT Trainers.
    Also, I now feel I cannot or should not participate or post on any of the Zentangle Facebook Groups for fear of being labelled as not good enough or she is one of them now.
    You have my support and I admire your dignified approach and your strength in addressing their demands.
    Hugs xx

  • August 8, 2018 at 12:41 am

    Art “training” should be free if the teacher wants it to be free, or $1 or $100 – that is capitalism and a free country. As long as I don’t represent that I am a CZT (which I am not) I have no problem showing my friends (for free) what I have learned from my art classes, art teachers, father who was a fabulous artist and sketcher, you and from CZT teachers too. I teach children and adults for free anytime they ask. I love learning on the internet and appreciate the free training, but I also buy books and supplies if I feel like it. I have a full craft room and have been crafting and teaching long before “Zentangle” was a “thing”. So yes, it is a great system, but it is not the only system and if you look at mendala’s and Henna paintings and American Indian art over the centuries, the patterns were here long ago and many are a prime example of Zentangle “style” patterns.
    So everyone should lighten up and just draw and share the joy of drawing with anyone that wants to learn. There are enough rich people to pay for classes that want them and the rest of us will learn where and how we can. Thanks goodness for Pinterest, YouTube, you, CZT’s and anyone else that wants to show me how to be creative. I love it all and appreciate it all. I am glad you are not backing down Ina and I hope the CZT community will back off and just spread the joy of learning how to draw with a simple lesson that anyone can be an artist and be creative. It is an awesome thing to see someone who says they cannot draw make something they like. Take joy in that.

    • August 9, 2018 at 9:01 am

      Thanks Kathy. You are right, this kind of drawing/doodling/tangling has been around forever and has been enjoyed for centuries. I love that people feel the same like me and enjoy showing others how to boost creativity in others. Instead of me teaching a small group of people, I found a way to show people from around the world how to teach! And I am 100% convinced that the CPT method, where you learn how to create your own patterns (and people don’t really care if the pattern exists or not), is much more rewarding than following step-by-step instructions. I have seen newcomers create Huggins and W2 simply by applying the techniques to shapes. THAT feeling you never get when you follow step-outs. Step-outs have their place too – especially to inspire and for people to see what can be done.
      And I will never put a © sign next to CPT – because everyone can do it and can come up with the same idea.
      Regarding the money aspect. I am in the fortunate position that I can still call this my hobby. On the other hand, the program offers a way to people that want to dedicate their professional life to it and need to earn a living from teaching. What’s wrong with that? The rumors were spread for years that you have to be certified in order to teach. You don’t need a certification to teach your own method. And anyone can certify whatever they want. When approaching schools, businesses or community groups, it looks good to have a certification on your business card. If that is backed up by a large community, it looks even better. With the CPT certification I offer people to have a logo behind them. And only when the person understands the concept, learned how to teach and understands how to answer questions, will they become that title. I don’t think that any certified CPT coach will ever feel the need to get angry because their next door neighbor is offering another kind of drawing class. If they ask for my advice, I rather get them to work together and compliment each other in what they teach. At the end of the day the new tangler has so much to learn and doesn’t really care about drama behind the scenes.
      Smile and tangle on 🙂 I am currently exploring Egyptian patterns right at the source!

  • August 15, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    Way to go girl. I am teaching young vulnerable teens tangling. I call it Tangle-Time and I am having a great time teaching these “kids” how to relax their minds by doodling on paper with a pencil. If my teaching helps these people to chill for an hour and a half each week then I am a happy Tangler. Keep up the good work……..

  • September 4, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    Dear Ina…
    TANGLE ON…and continue to do you.

    I refuse to take sides just as I refuse to be told what I can and can’t do, say or draw. Long before Rick and Maria stumbled upon a way to take an art form that had been in existence for thousands of years and add some *post 1060’s Hippy Hype* to it for the sole purpose of MAKING MONEY, patterns, Tangles, doodles, chicken scratches,etc have been scribbled on paper world wide. They needed to convincing everyone they *created it* so they could set up their elitest band of groupies they call CZT’s If they wanted to make big bucks. They are just pissed off now that their scam came to light and I’m willing to bet those CZT’s, if they are honest, that payed THOUSANDS to learn what they could have done for free are now just as pissed off that they got scammed too.

    Bottom like, I have walked away from all the formal hype and scams. I draw what I want, I call it what I want and I TEACH IT TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LEARN. For me…it’s the fun, calm, peace and love of creating beautiful things that matters. Not narcissistic morons who liked themselves to *cult leaders* and art nazi’s desperate to make money.

    Happy Tangling to All.

  • September 6, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    Amen, sister. Ditto for me also. I do this because I need it for me and my health. No one is going to tell me that I can’t do it. I agree with the fact that doodling and making nice patterns has been around for centuries. Just look at some architecture 100s or thousands of years ago to see the designs of tangles and interesting shapes. I will continue to do my lines, circles, flowers and what ever I decide to draw for my benefit and no one else will benefit except me and my family. Cuz when I tangle ever one is happy..

    Happy doodling/tangling ya`all..

  • September 15, 2018 at 4:50 am

    Tell me, I’ll forget. Show me, I’ll remember. Involve me, I’ll understand.

    Those are words I borrowed to put on flyers when teaching Sign Language. It never occured to me to write….”Pay me and I will teach you.” Pay me more and I will teach you more.

    I have to agree with your situation.

    Rather than the other group having to so quickly put their fists up to fight… Wouldn’t it be nice if kinder words were offered; such as….I’m concerned about the similarites of our 2 art forms.
    Which would have given you the opportunity to explain your methods and how the benefits can be applied to a person’s brain growth etc. Brain growth is a good thing, right?!

    Then perhaps an agreement of boundaries, if needed, could come about – and the 2 groups could then talk about one or the other in a dopamine and serotonin building way. Then the outcome could only heighten feelings of euphoria, empathy, and love as well.

    Don’t you just want to sing “Tip toe through the tulips” Very old hippy song meant to show happiness.

    I’m laughing as I type this….because otherwise knowing the anger it took for Rick to write that email and the snarling (myself included) that came after that email makes me want to weep.

    R & M…you need to sit in a quiet place and meditate…..before you put your angry words to print.

    Oh my….Lions and Tigers and Happy People making fun pictures.

  • September 28, 2018 at 12:06 am

    I have just read all the comments on this issue. I was producing and selling art work designed with doodling/tangling back in the 1980s. And a lot of my art work as a child was doodle based. When the “cult of CZT” suddenly appeared on the market I didn’t think to sue the people who’d named some of he patterns I’d be using for years. I must admit I was rather intrigued by the product and brought a number of their publications, specifically for inspiration. But I teach art as an adult educator, I would never go on a CZT course mainly because they are elitist and I don’t see why I should give my historic knowledge and working methods over to the CZT cult, just because they came up with a name for some of the designs I’ve used for years.

    Ina, I’m really pleased that I stumbled across this fabulous website, it is truely inspirational, and I myself believe in sharing knowledge. Please do not let these people beat you into a corner. They don’t have total rights to all the doodles/tangles.

    There is one painting that I have loved since a child “The Kiss” by Gustav Klimt, this painting and many of his others are wonderful examples of doodles used to fill a canvas. I can also think of Stary Nights by Vincent Van Gogh, with repeating swirls and stars. I could even talk about medieval paintings that have repetitive patterns, or even talk about cave paintings and aboriginal art forms from around the world. This art form is as ancient as human beings, and shouldn’t be owned by any one person or group.

    Keep up the good work, I love your website and have invested in your two ebooks. I will definitely like to do your training programme and exam, so that I can add it to my tutoring.

  • October 5, 2018 at 8:03 pm

    I think you are correct about zentangles ™. There is nothing there that is copyrightable. Some patterns used by doodlers and zentanglers can be found in Egyptian tombs.

    In fairness to Rick and Maria, I don’t think they are trying patent or copyright images. I think they are trying to protect their method and their brand. For example: they did copyright and protect the word “zentangle”. They are trying to protect their teaching methods and process. Personally, I think that may be a losing proposition but I’m not a lawyer.

    I have a lot of mixed emotions on this topic. It is very difficult to make a living in the world of art. So you can’t really blame people for trying to protect their ideas.

    On the other hand, to some extent, the history of art is the history of imitation. It is also about freedom of expression. Other than the word itself, I don’t think there is much for Thomas’ to protect. The last time I checked none of there patents have been approved.

  • October 11, 2018 at 10:52 pm

    I have read and reread all the comments emails etc and am still having difficulty understanding the why. As a child at school, like many others we were encouraged to paint, draw, sketch, etc including making lots of patterns. This was the norm throughout my learning years from nursery through to secondary. Im pretty sure that the majority of people have at some time (schooled or not) have put pen/pencil to paper and drawn squiggley lines here and there to produce a fine pattern, I am also pretty sure that if every scrap of paper, every person in the world ever scribbled, doodled, drew upon was saved recorded and catalogued alot of the new, copywrited or not patterns be them zentangles tangles doodles or whatever have been reproduced before. Maybe not in the same order but the basic shapes would probably be the same. After all what is a shape if it is not a shape? Im most probably going against the grain here but to be perfectly honest if someone found the need to copy my work i would be thankful to be so blessed someone thought it worthy.
    I use many sites as im sure alot of people do, it doesnt mean one is right and one is wrong it means there are many paths that lead to the same door. Before we consider arguing over some lines on a piece of paper, tile, cardstock, can we not see there are far graver matters in the world to deal with. Global warming for example. We can all agree to disagree.
    I wish you lucky Ina and love the work you do here I genuinely hope all parties concerned can find an agreeable answer x

  • October 16, 2018 at 6:02 am

    I’m so glad to discover your website. I’m new to tangling and was seriously considering giving it up almost before I started because of the weird pseudo-religious attitude I saw among Zentanglers. This is for meditation, not for fun, or as a means to create serious art.. You must use only our (apparently magic) patterns. You should use these (apparently magic) expensive little squares we sell to do it on. And you’re really not worth talking or talking to if you’re not one of our chosen priests, errrrrr CZTs.

    All I really wanted from them was their step by step methods for creating cool patterns. I don’t mind the idea of paying for those step by step methods – it took them time to create them, after all. But even before reading about their attempts to stifle you I felt like I’d be giving money to a group actively trying to stifle creativity and artistry.

    The attitude here is quite refreshing by comparison. The emphasis on freedom to create and the recognition that tangling is inextricably tied to the history of art makes me feel at home. Thank you for creating this resource!

  • December 4, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    I stumbled upon this by chance as I am getting back into art and find this type satisfying and calming. Never realized that creating artwork was such a competitive thing, I can understand if what was being copied/stolen was an actual piece of artwork.

    I do not believe it is copyright if there are changes by a certain percentage. It’s like the cookie cutter homes that are built if they look similar yet have small differences that is because it’s 2 different builders and you can “steal” a layout as long as it is changed roughly 5% or so. Basically I could design a house and just have to move a window or a door and they cannot claim it as their design.

    Happy creating everyone!

  • August 25, 2019 at 1:56 am

    I recently discovered this site. I have been doodling for a long time. I found this post and I wanted to comment. They have some copyright, but not all. If you read trademarks and copyrights on the Zentangle website method read the last part. Their teaching method is pending. why? they did not invent it.

    We have a patent pending on our Zentangle Teaching Method.

  • October 10, 2019 at 8:28 am

    I love to draw, and I use both sites all the time for inspiration and learning. I find this site, CPT, to have easier to understand step outs, and many intriguing patterns, but I also find some things at the tangle sites that I like (I usually watch Ellen Wolters on YouTube).

    I’m just very grateful that all of you who are so skilled at creating the countless various patterns that are available are willing to share them with anyone who takes the time to look them up. And if anyone is interested, though you probably already know this, the artist and author, Betty Edwards, had her book “Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain” published in 1979, and she’s all about shapes, and doesn’t state in the book “You can’t have these, they’re all mine.” Nowhere will one find anything about not using what she freely offers (other than the price of the book, of course). Just an observation, but hopefully a helpful one. It really is an excellent book, and works very well with the CPT site’s instructions and teachings.

  • November 12, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    The only thing Zentangle and any other group can copyright is their trademark “Zentangle” and “CPT”. Both are nothing but doodling or drawing and neither of them contain anything that can be patented or copyrighted except the artist’s final work, including the teaching methods.

  • May 7, 2020 at 9:18 am

    I have finally found what I was feeling in my heart all along. I just want to TEACH drawing patterns, but I WON’T spend 1500euro’s to be certified!

  • May 7, 2020 at 9:29 am

    All I want is to teach/help others to draw patterns and create beautiful art. Now I can!


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